Titanic Sinking With Students Fire - Episode 43

In this episode, Kara and Ed did something they normally don't do and that is to record an episode of the show live in their classroom. They also brought on students to talk about one of the largest oceanic disasters of all time, the sinking of the Titanic April 14, 1912.

Perhaps one of the greatest dumpster fires of all time, the White Star Line's latest passenger ship that espoused luxury and lavishness, the Titanic was touted as a ship that was unsinkable. Even the second and third classes would have a better stay on the Titanic than any other ship out there. Until that fateful night a wayward iceberg said, "Hold my beer and watch this!"

Kara and Ed start off with an overview of what the actual Titanic was like complete with the living conditions and engineering specifications that combined to make the Titanic a marvel of human engineering. Afterwards Kara's and Ed's students will present various theories both conspiratorial and somewhat believable. Followed by Kara's analysis of the aftermath of the incident.

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Hey, everybody, everybody, This this is is. Ed, This is Kara. and this This is is your your days. days Dumpster fire. That was better than the first time. Yeah, that was that was take two. And I felt kind of bad because I was like celebrating that the first time I got it. Like, perfect. And then I forgot we got like 5 minutes in it, forgot to hit record. it's like leaving yourself on mute, on Zoom. It's fine. Everybody doesn't. Yeah. So, yeah, today we've got a bit of a special episode. You probably noticed that there were people clapping in the background. No, that is not a recording. And no, nobody forgot their medications. You are actually listening to a live recording. And the reason why there's people in the room with us is because, well, we're we're talking about Titanic and Karen, I have been bouncing around like, how do we how do we cover the Titanic, which has probably been the most podcast? Did Recorded disaster ever. And there's like thousands of podcasts out there just dedicated to Titanic. So what could we do differently? So what we decided to do is we're going to be podcasting with our students. So we've got David's students in here, we've got our middle schoolers in here, and Cara and I are going to do this like a basic rundown of the event. And then we're going to have some students come up because they have some theories on their own as to like how or what may have happened, ranging from a conspiracy theory involving Jp morgan to maybe, I don't know, aliens or whatever. So, yeah, that's kind of kind of what we got lined up. I'm I'm surprised, surprised. Gary, normally Normally when when you you start start these these things, things, at least at least the the research research part part of of it, it, like like like, like, okay, okay, we're we're talking talking about about Vietnam. Vietnam. Let's Let's go go back back to to the the big Big bang. bang. Generally. Generally, Yes, you're right. I could we've have gone gone back back even even further, further, but but I I decided decided to to keep keep it it short short to to make make sure sure we we have have time for for the kids. it. Fair enough. Yeah. So So by by 1900, 1900, Germany, Germany, Britain Britain and and the the United United States States were were industrial industrial superpowers. superpowers. Britain Britain and and the the US U.S. had had healthy healthy working working relationships relationships that that resulted resulted in in trade trade and and innovation innovation between between the the two two countries countries and in Britain, Britain, especially especially amongst amongst the the wealthy, wealthy. it It was was believed believed that that progress progress was was proven proven through through innovation, innovation, machinery machinery structures structures and and building, buildings, and and that that belief belief soon soon spread spread to to America America as as well. well. In In the the mid mid to to late late 1800s, 1800s, expeditions exhibitions to to show show all all these of these major major feats feats of of innovation innovation began began to to occur occur all all around around the the world. world. So So for for example, example, in in London London in in 1850, 1850, they they held held a a giant giant exhibition exhibition and and they they revealed revealed the the glass Glass Palace. Palace. I I think think it's it's still still there. there. It It looks looks like like a a giant giant greenhouse greenhouse in in the the middle middle of of London. London. It's It's kind kind of of cool. cool. They They base base it it off off of of a a painting painting from from a a gardener gardener and and they they were were like, like, okay, okay, we'll all top top there. that. And And then then the the Chicago Chicago World's World's Fair Fair happened. happened, And you you know, know, for for a fact a fact that that they they they they had had to to remove remove like all all of of the the rocks rocks from from. around that building. Oh, yeah, Oh, oh yeah. yeah. They They had had to to remove remove everything. everything. And Because then then anybody with the a rock rock and in a glass a glass palace palace is is going going, to be oh pretty interesting. I don't get the joke till just now. So So during during the the late late 1800s 1800s and and early early 1900s, 1900s, the the wealthy wealthy wanted wanted to to show show off off their their wealth wealth, and and they they did did so so with in fashion, fashion, what what they they ate, ate, where where they they live. lived. So So we're we're starting starting to to see see this this trend trend where where the the more more money money you you have, have, the the working more things you by buy consumerism consumers. And even we've been going longer, over that this. that That means means that that they're they're wearing wearing more more fancy fancy clothing, clothing, they're they're walking walking down down the the street. street. You're You're going going to to see see that that more more often. often. And And you you can can identify identify who who has has how how much much money money by by what what they're they're wearing wearing and and how how they're they're acting acting. all All over over the the world, world, America began to gain a reputation as a place in which people could build a better life for themselves and live in riches if they worked hard enough and all this stuff. So America had that reputation of you can come here and it's going to be great and you're going to be awesome. In reality, people needed to work really, really, really hard for that kind of lifestyle. And often it didn't happen very frequently. But what this did cause is a lot of immigration to the United States in the late 1800s, early 1900s, most of these immigrants who came to the states lived in poor conditions, or they were able to work in up to the middle class and they didn't realize it was going to be that hard until probably they got to Ellis Island, where a lot of these people who weren't part of the wealthy class would get screened, they'd get interviewed, so they would have a health checkup, make sure they're healthy. Usually I think about this that was 90% of immigrants would be accepted into the states, but still, it was a lot more difficult than I thought it was going to be. Between 1919 15, 15 immigrants. Yes, 50 nearly million. Not just 15 sorry, 50, 15 million immigrants, just 15 Just immigrants, 15. Is it 15 million immigrants, immigrants arrived arrived in in America America searching searching for for the the American American dream dream. that That was was advertised advertised to to them them because because of of the the demand demand of of immigration immigration between between Europe Europe and and America. America, Steamboats, Steamboats or ships ships that that ferry ferry people people became became commonplace commonplace. and And was it was big big business business for for both both sides. sides. Both Both Europe Europe and and America America made made a a lot lot of of money money shipping shipping people people from from Europe Europe to to the the States States and and then then back back and and forth. forth, Crossing crossing the the Atlantic Atlantic Ocean Ocean is is the the easiest easiest thing thing ever, ever. and And some some even even argue argued that that it it was was easier easier to to travel travel overland. over land. This can be I argued mean, there's no because mountains in in the the way. way There's there is no no like like valleys. valleys. Yeah, and But but the the point point can can be be argued argued because because you you had had the the transcontinental transcontinental railroad railroad in in the the States, States, but but you you didn't didn't have have that that in in Europe. Europe. So So I I could could see, see both sides. yeah. In 1901, numerous ocean liner companies, including the White Star, has been have been struggling financially to keep up with the Germans. So it wasn't just White Star that was struggling financially. It was all of them. They were all competing with each other, which was difficult enough, but they were also competing with Germany. And I will say during this time period, Germany had just become a major superpower. Everybody was worried about them politically, militarily, industrially, and it caused a whole other can of worms of issues, including the Great War. Yeah. So what was the Titanic and why? How was it made? And I guess we could start with the good old fashioned numbers to the stats. So the Titanic was a passenger super liner, which just funny because this thing is tiny compared to the cruise liners that we have today, but it was 882 feet long and 92 feet wide, so you could fit about two, maybe three houses on the width of this deck, and then you could fit a whole bunch more in the length. I'm not going to do the math. It stood 104 feet high when it was in drydock, when it was in the ocean. It's obviously going to be lower, but from from the ballast to the to the very top of the stack, there was 104 feet. It displaced about 52,000 tons of water, meaning anything that is buoyant, anything that floats it does so because it displaces more water in weight than it weighs itself. So if you took the Titanic and you somehow put 52,000 tons of stuff in there, it it would be perfectly like it would be right at the waterline. So it had its very distinctive four four smokestacks, which was funny because only three were operational. Only one the the one I think was a very crude one. It was kind of funny because they wanted it to be bigger than what their British counterparts or the British competitor, Cunard. They wanted it to be bigger and more impressive than like the Mauretania. So they had two, three smokestacks and then they just put a dummy one in there just to make it look bigger. And we're going to see that there is a lot of a lot of things that they did that serve it like little to no like purpose but or was detrimental, as we will see in some of the safety features in the name of making this thing look impressive. So remember the attitude that people had during this time. It was progress and innovation makes us awesome. The bigger the better, the bigger we can make it, the better it will be. So that was the attitude that these people had, no matter what the costs were. Yeah. See here, where did I live off of. Oh yeah. It was equipped with three engines, two reciprocating, four cylinder, triple expansion, steam engines and one centrally placed low pressure parson's turbine. Yes, I agree. There is. What does that mean? You asked about the temperature. I have very little knowledge to what it was, but all I know is that they were big. Each engine was about the size of a house and it weighed a whopping 720 tons. So that is your average car is like two tons. So big giant chunks of steel with the three engines running at full power. It produced over 30,000 horsepower on the main turbine and then 16,000 horsepower for they had a giant like flywheel in there that would be spinning really, really fast. And that too, could generate another 16,000 horsepower if needed. So this thing had a grand total of needed 46,000 horsepower. Your average family car is like 2 to 300 horsepower. Just to kind of give you some aspect of size here by today's standards. All right. I'm sorry. Yeah. The ship had a capacity of 6600 or 6600 tons of coal and a reserve of an extra 1000 tons of coal needed. So this was a big boy and this thing was chewing through a lot of coal. I did some quick and dirty math recently. By today's standards, if you were going to fill this thing up. In fact, coal was kind of a problem. As carrier, we'll probably get into it would cost $1.25 million to fill this thing up with coal, and it costs about$152,000 a day just to run the engines. So that's like a house, like the price of a a low end house a day just to run. So you will quickly see why some of these tickets got pretty expensive. There was a total of nine decks. Eight were accessible to the passengers. One fun fact, though, interesting about the these levels because I mean, everybody knows like, hey, there was a first class, second class, third class. You'd be thinking like, okay, first class, rich second class, kind of like middle of the road, third class steerage. The poor people, immigrants and whatnot. Everybody had access to all the decks. It was it's it's kind of thought that, oh, uh, like the third the third class people couldn't go to the top deck and hang out with the first class people. No, actually, they could. There was very few places that the second and third class didn't have access to. Like some of the fancy gyms and and stuff like that. But for the most part they could go anywhere. and obviously the ninth deck was the engine deck. The whole of the ship was made from thousands of one inch thick, mild steel plates. We'll get onto my students here. It's not galvanized and it was held on. They were riveted on with wrought iron rivets. So mild steel, in case, if you're wondering, is a very low carbon steel. To make a steel stronger, you add more carbon. When you add more carbon, it wants to rust more. So obviously, if you're making a boat that's going to be in the ocean, you really don't want the thing to just rust out on you. So they used a mild low carbon steel and then the rivets were made out of wrought iron, which was kind of, uh, that was kind of sketchy in its own right because they use a mixture of hardened steel rivets along with wrought iron. And the reason being it was cost efficient, but wrought iron rivets liked to shear, meaning they like to break if they're maybe, let's say, hit something and we all know that Titanic hit something. So is something to kind of put in the back of your your head, the ship was designed with the latest and greatest of technological safety features. This is pretty funny because it was marketed as the safest ship in the world. You've all probably heard it. Oh, this thing is unsinkable in a way, yes, but nature finds a way. So the whole and this is like the big safety feature, the hole or the inside of the ship was divided six compartments from front to back. And there were these special doors on each level that if there was any water leaking in into that compartment, the doors were slammed shut and be watertight. Bad deal. If you're one of the people in that compartment that's filling up with water because you're kind of stuck in there. But that's better than the entire ship sinking, which is funny or ironic because it sank the cool feature that they put in. Because having compartmentalized Hull wasn't that revolutionary. But what was revolutionary is that they could control all those doors from the bridge so they could literally go and flip a switch on to say, you know, deck 14, 14, deck six, compartment five. And they could they can flip a switch and then it would automatically drop everything down. So before you would have to have some guy like on the floor by that door, like turning a crank and closing it here, they could shut everything off all at once. So that that was actually kind of cool. The ship was designed so that up to four compartments could be compromised and that the ship could stay afloat. I'm pretty sure some of my engineering savvy students probably discovered a huge flaw that those compartment dividers didn't go all the way to the deck because rich people didn't want this giant steel wall midway through their deck. And so they only had the dividers go up so high, which is kind of stupid because then water can just go over it. But hey, I'm not the engineer on top of the compartments. There were only a total of 20 lifeboats. This was actually something that Karen, I like you and I, we were kind of like, how many boats were there? It seemed like there's a wide range of numbers out there. There are. But from what I was able to find, the general consensus is there were 16 wooden lifeboats and four canvas collapsible boats. Yeah. And so the it was kind of funny because the Merchant Ship Act of 1894 states that any ship weighing over 10,000 tons. So Titanic weighed over 10,000 tons, had to have a minimum of 16 lifeboats. I don't understand why they couldn't base it off of occupancy like, why does it have to be based off of weight? So they had Titanic technically had to have a minimum of 16 lifeboats, and then they had these two canvas or four canvas the, like IKEA, build it yourself, uh, lifeboats that I could not see how that would be going. Well, when your ship is at a 45 degree angle sticking out of the ocean and sinking like a rock while you're trying to build we have a boat. to meet the minimum Minimum requirement requirements to pass pass the the. board. And what's really sad is to do it right till I could genuinely do it right. They were needed. At least 40 lifeboats because the total of 20 that they had could only cover or handle about half of the people on the ship. Yeah. So if I remember the number right, the amount of space that they had on the lifeboats was between 1111 50. The amount of people who were on the boat, just over 2200 people. So yeah, that's kind of that's kind of disappointing. Like they were basically they were saying it's perfectly okay if half the people die on this boat they didn't care. Well, and so the engineers, when they the designed engineers this. cared. You're right. They cared. Yeah. Yeah, Like, It was like Mr. Andrews, the guy who designed Titanic as well as the Olympic as well as the Britannic because they're all sister ships, So, yeah, it was a, uh, it was kind of a marketing thing that they didn't want the rich people to have to see ugly lifeboats. So they purposely put the bare minimum in there, which I don't know, to me that's just mind blowing that they were okay with that. But they're also probably like, okay, we're confident that this thing is unsinkable and I'm not sure if that was really a feature, a safety feature. And it seemed like everything was geared towards the marketing side of things. But hey, they were thinking the ship is so big, how could it possibly sink? So the ship also had a powerful radio telegraph transmitter. So this thing could do a special thing where it could use radio waves to actually transmit a message, kind of like a text message. And I think you're going to get into it a little bit. Like one of the issues was that the crew, they had two guys that were running little telegraph machines and they were yeah, like anybody who had the money to $3 to buy a the ability to send a text message in other words, was using it. And so these two guys were just running nonstop, which will run into some problems when your boat is trying to sink and people are trying to communicate with you like boats that can save your life and they can't do anything. A lot of these messages were just messages to to family really trivial, like, hey, my day is going great. I hope you're doing well too, Yeah, Little Johnny. I said, hi. living my best life. And when you have almost 2000 passengers on that boat all trying to send messages, you're going to have a backlog of all kinds of stuff. So if you can imagine just two guys trying to send messages for almost 2000 people, that's a lot. and we're talking about Morse code here. Words, dots and dashes. Yeah, it takes a long time to send, you know, somebody to send you a one sentence long. Uh, I don't know, telegraph it. It can take up to like 5 to 10 minutes to transmit that. And then, of course, you get the person like me who would send out like this ten page essay, like, get to work guys. It. Yeah, that would just ruin it for everybody. So the ship had, uh. Oh, and I forgot to mention, too, it was fitted with rocket launchers to which was kind of cool, because why not? If you've got the biggest ship in the ocean, the most luxurious, you might as well set it up so that you launch a bunch of rockets. But those rockets could come in handy for, like, notifying any boat in the area that, hey, we're sinking. assuming that everybody in the ocean is aware that your rockets are for distress and not for partying, is that, you know, a discussion for later, the ship had a ton of amenities and most of which were accessible by all three classes. It had a Turkish bath. What's the difference between Turkish bath and a French bath? I don't know, but it's Turkish. Sounds expensive. The Grand staircase? Yes, the one from the Titanic movie. They actually got that pretty accurate. That thing was massive. And I think it was like 20 feet wide and like 24 feet tall. It's all made out of like mahogany in hand fitted and all that kind of stuff. It had reading and writing rooms sounds like a library, a dining saloon. So a saloon is where you go to get alcohol, but you could also get food there too. You had a squash court because apparently people played squash back then. It had a full on library, a gymnasium, and most importantly, a smoking room. Yes, everybody smoked back then. It was very common. In fact, my grandfather, he started smoking when he was 12. Yeah. People are like, Why? Why? Why would that be? Because it was like 1928, very different time back then. So accommodations. So I mentioned before there's three classes of people that would be on this boat. The first class you would get like this large apartment. It would be a multi-room state room decorated to the art of various time periods in European history. So they had special rooms that were like named like you've got the Georgian room, you've got the Louis the 16th room, you've got the Queen Anne themed room. And they would have paintings in there, had a wallpaper. It had like custom made furniture, had like a goose down bed and pillow arrangement, like this thing was probably better than your house. Like, it was absolutely insane. Each one of these state rooms had its own promenade, meaning like its own deck, that you could go hang out outside and not have to be bothered with pesky second and third class people. And they actually contracted artists like legit artists of the day to come in and be like, Hey, we're building a boat. Can you do some custom paint jobs for us? Second class, you would get a one room cabin, okay, And it would have like 1 to 2 bunks. So they would hold up to four people. So like a family of four and you'd get like a small desk and or like a little armoire type of thing in a closet. And you would get like a little basin for water and you would get some room for storage for luggage. So if you were bringing a lot of stuff, it would go into the cargo hold. If you weren't bringing a lot of stuff, you'd just put your like your suitcase underneath and you're off to the races. One thing about the bathrooms I want to mention, but most I thought all of the first class rooms had their own individual bathrooms. That wasn't the case. There was only a few rooms that actually had walk in bathrooms in there. Most of the first class, second class and third class people all had to share a bathroom. So like, you would have to go out down the hallway and hit the bathroom. If you're in a second class, you would get like a bathroom stall. And if you're a third class, they had like a trough that you would use. So you would be in there was like, you know, reading your your newspaper. And Bob is like sitting right next to you and you're like, What's up? Hey, George. Yeah. And you're having a pleasant conversation while you're having your morning Constitution panel wasn't like today where everybody's all freaked out about it. Now. Back then, it's like everybody poops together. If you poop together, your friends, that's how you can tell who your friends really are. So you can poop in the same room and not make it awkward. You get yourself a good friend. One of our students was just absolutely appalled. Like the conditions. Those heathens, those disgraceful, disgusting people. Yeah. They're worth a million, right? Yeah. Like these. Some of the richest people in the world. We're, like, all pooping together. And then third class was basically like. It was kind of like second class. You had a room. Actually, it would be a bigger room, but there'd be, like, multiple rows of bunk beds. So you would be you would be sleeping with like 12 other people and they would have maybe a shelf on the bottom cot or that the bunk bed where everybody on that row could put their, you know, their supplies. But if you think about it, it only takes a few days to cross the ocean. So if you had to go from Europe to America as an immigrant, these conditions were actually very suitable. It's not like you're spending months on there like you would have on an old sailing ship. So even third class had dining halls, because that's the other thing too. You weren't spending all your time in the bunk. You were in the dining hall. All three classes had like their own restaurants, they had their own amenities. They like it. It really wasn't that bad of a deal. And don't forget, most people would want to go to the top deck. And because you're on a the fanciest cruise liner in the world, you would be spending most of your time up top anyways. So yeah, the dining halls were accessible to all three classes. The first class did have a special room that the other two classes couldn't go into and it was like a five star restaurant and they had a chef in there that would custom like whatever you wanted that chef would make for you. So this is a lavish dining hall, gourmet chefs drinking and smoking rooms. And the third and second, third classes were surprisingly like respectable. They would be like a walking into, like a sit down restaurant today that it really wasn't all all that bad. So it's not like third class was just sitting there eating slop. They actually had real food. yeah, this is this is where it gets a little it gets a little shady. So in the early 1900s, the Industrial Revolution was exploding and competition was intense between Britain's White Star Line and another British company called Cunard. You know Cunard today because they still are in business. You will notice that the the White Star line isn't around today. So the these two companies were in, you know, heated competition. Cunard had the mauretania the Mauretania was a ship kind of like Titanic. However, it had the blue stripe. The blue stripe meant that it held the record from going from like England to New York at the fastest time. idea then was like, okay, we need to figure out a way to go up against Cunard. When we look at White Star, they're the three big ships that they were producing at this time was the Olympic Titanic and Britannic and then some of the famous Cunard ships you probably have heard of. One of them is a relatively unknown ship, didn't really serve much purpose in history, didn't really do much for America. It was the Lusitania. It may have gotten sunk by a German U-boat and got America into World War One, but other than that, it's not that that big of a deal. Only the worst war of humanity up to that point. The other one is the Queen Mary. I think the Queen Mary, you can see you can. It's a museum now in Long Beach. You can go and visit it. It's supposed to be super haunted. It's pretty cool. Yeah. I I won't won't go go there. there. I will. I won't. don't. I don't. I don't handle ghosts like It. Yeah, it's fine. Anyway, UFOs I can do, but not. Not curse. And then you've got the Mauritania, which I just talk about physically. The Cannon Company was poised to cut deep into the Atlantic crossing lanes with the previously mentioned ships. So they were kind of like leading the way here. Jay Bruce Ismay, the man in charge of White Star, was not doing the best right now financially, and he had to do something. If he did not put something together really, really fast, we were going to run into issues like financially. So he approached, uh, a what was it his name was, um, a peri, peri peri. William Peri. He controlled the Belfast shipyards in Ireland and proposed that, hey, let's build three ships. And that's exactly what they did. And they figured, Hey, we're not going to beat the speed record. But what we can do is make the most luxuriously designed ships in the world and that the biggest and the most opulent. So the two men ultimately worked out a plan to design and build the three ships, the Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. And on March 31st, 1909, so about two years prior, the disaster, a Three months after the keel was laid for the Titanic, the Olympic and the Titanic were built side by side and constructed in such a way that luxury, opulence and overall comfort was prioritized. Thomas Andrews of the Harland and Wolff Company. So that was the company that was contracted to build it. Thomas Andrews was the designer. He was recruited to design the ship as well as the Olympic and Britannic. So their kind of identical like if you look at all three of these ships, like the pictures of them, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between them. The shipyard that built these ships typically held around 14,000 workers. That's a lot of people. And Harland and Wolff also brought in like an additional 1000 men to work on these ships. And both the Olympic and the Titanic had 3000 men each working on them. The gantry that spanned over the Titanic was 228 feet tall, and it was the largest gantry in the world at that time. Over 3 million rivets were used to assemble the ship and. It's important to note, and I mentioned it earlier, that the ships most ships out there used hard steel rivets, but the Titanic used a mixture between steel and iron and the iron ones were really a lot weaker and the most of the weaker rivets were put in the front of the ship because who would ever think that the front of the ship would ever hit anything? The total cost. This is wild. The total cost to build the Titanic was$7.5 million back then. That would be $166 million. By today's standards. It's funny, I don't know if any of you seen the 1997 James Cameron movie Titanic, but the movie actually cost $200 million to produce. The movie was more expensive than the actual boat that it was representing, which I thought was kind of funny. Yeah, go big or go home. If you factor in all three ships, including labor and all that stuff, Ismay and wife Star Line had to take it alone for $600 million. They went to Jp morgan. At that time, he was the wealthiest banker in the world and they asked him for a $600 million and Jp morgan paid out of his own pocket. Yeah, he just wired the money over normally like you would. You would make it like you would actually. MORGAN Like a bank would take out a loan to cover the loan to cover a loan. To cover a loan to, like, build a ship. But Morgan had that kind of cash on hand, and he was able to just pay out of his pocket. Morgan was also the same guy that, like, balanced the U.S. budget in the 1890s because that was his civic duty. Jp morgan's a fascinating guy. After a few months and like, what was it like 1911 after a few months after the ships were built? So it took about two years to build. They took this ship out to sea and it was like an empty vessel. They had rooms, it was just a steel ship and that was it. And they took it out to get fitted. So imagine working on this ship as an artisan, like building up the rooms and putting the amenities and all that kind of stuff. And on April 8th, 1912, the Titanic was dispatched for its maiden voyage out of Southampton, England, to pick up its first passengers. All right, I'm going to go through this really fast so we can get to you guys. The Titanic was scheduled to launch on Wednesday, April 10th, 1912, before takeoff. There were some logistical issues that we had to work out. In 1912, there was a coal strike in Britain, and this made coal extremely difficult to come by. So the Titanic, the Titanic required 800 ish, whatever it was, per minute or whatever, and they needed lots of coal. So why it started is they cancelled a whole bunch of their trips and they cancelled all kinds of stuff from other ships and they got the coal from the other ships, plus the surplus of whatever they had to use for that. What happened to the passengers of those other trips? So what happened was those passengers were transferred over to the Titanic and it added additional people who weren't even supposed to be there in the first place. Some people were super stoked, like, yeah, we got a free trip on the Titanic, this great maiden voyage where history is being made Anyways, it's great. The other people, there are some other groups of people. They were super upset cause they're like, my first class ticket only pays for a second class ticket on the Titanic. I have to pay this much extra just to be on first class. I have to ride second class now. And you know, they had to pay the difference. It sucked with the hype of the ship and the transfer passenger. The Titanic was loaded full to capacity. It contained 1320 passengers and 912 crew members. It had more than 2200 people on board total for this trip. Remember, there's only 16 lifeboats and four baby cannabis boats that didn't really do anything. Hotels of that day were overbooked. People wanted to watch and launch, to watch the launch. And those who knew somebody who were coming or they just wanted to watch it, it was cool. So the place was just packed full of people, the docks, everything. If you can imagine the busiest day that you've ever seen, maybe double that. The Titanic was nicknamed the Millionaire's special and its captain was nicknamed the millionaire's captain. And I cannot stress enough the class standards or the expectations of the ship, the types of people on the ship. One passenger wrote The Artist of Renown and the great writer, the man of theatrical success, the giant of the world of Trade, the aide of a nation's president, the prettiest woman, the woman who represented social prominence, the indispensable American girl. Presidents of railways. Railways, aristocrats of Europe. All of these to add to the glory of the first sea crossing of the biggest ship. So celebrities, philanthropists, anybody who's anybody was on this ship for the ticket prices. Third class cost£7 or in today's money,$1,077. Second class, 12th pounds or $846 first class berths. So this isn't like the highest. This is just below 30 to £80 or $4616 to $8000 per ticket. One way first class suites. This is the most expensive anywhere between 576 to £876. Somewhere between$50,000 and $130,000 today. So if you want those first class suites, you've got to pay up. And first class. There were a total of 337 passengers, 12 of them altogether industrial rich people, $191 million of people for 12 of them, if you're going to count all 337, 500 million plus, that's how much these people were worth. First class passengers were very fancy clothes for all occasions. They were told to bring clothes for breakfast, teatime, dinner or gym clothes. Women wore at least corsets, expensive gowns, fancy shoes. Men were taxes and top hats and Paula shoes and fancy shoes. Among the first class passengers were several industrial and business moguls, high ranking officials, celebrities of the past, Guggenheim business guy William Thomas, dead journalist Isidor Strauss and his wife Strauss. They owned Macy's. It's made the White Star director, Thomas Andrews guy who built the ship. Jp morgan was not on the boat in second class. There were 270 passengers. Most of these passengers were transfers from the other liners who went to first class from their one liners and then had to transfer the Titanic and they had to pay more. So they just stuck with second class. It's fine. Most of these people were rich, but not super rich like the other ones. These people, you could pick them out because they were usually nice dresses, polished shoes. The men were a suit and a tie, usually not often a tuxedo, but a nice suit and tie. One family on board. It was because they had a sick son and they were told that the only hospital that could hear them was in the US in second class. No, sorry, in third class or steerage. This was made up 70% of the ship's capacity. There were 712 passengers. Almost all of these passengers were immigrants. English, Irish, French, Polish, Scandinavian, Italian, Middle Eastern. Most of these passengers were working class. They only had one or two different outfits and they were there just to get to the U.S. to start a new life for themselves. One man in third class was hesitant to get a ticket or his family was urging him to come to Detroit and he didn't want to put his family through rough conditions. Nice accommodations were somewhat different. All three classes had separate eating spaces. Mr. Heard He talked about this. But hey, the indoor toilets are nice. Go for it. Yeah. So a breakdown of the like the timeline of events and got a nifty little timeline here, which I'll go through real quick. So March 31st, 1909, construction begins on in Belfast, Ireland, May 31st, 1911. Titanic is launched, and later the fitting out phase starts April 10th, 1912. Maiden Voyage begins. Leave Southampton, April 11th, 1912. Titanic makes its four final European stop in Queensland or Queenstown, Ireland. Now this is where things get fast, pay attention. Not just to the dates but to like the hours and minutes. April 14th, 1912

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35 p.m.. An iceberg is spotted but too late to avoid the collision. April 15th, 1912. So now or the next morning. But it is now 1215 in the morning. The first distress calls signals are sent at 1220. So 5 minutes later Carpathia rushes towards

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45 a.m.. First, lifeboats are lowered to 18. So now we're like just like an hour and 30 minutes later, the boat sinks and then 220 Titanic flounders, meaning it's now broken in half and it's now heading towards the bottom of the ocean. It was estimated that it took about 3 hours to get to the bottom of the ocean. 330 survivors are rescued by the Carpathia. And then on September 1st, 1985, the shipwreck was discovered by. Robert Ballard. that ship hit that chunk of ice and sank within about two and a half hours, which is just mind boggling. And there was actually a YouTube channel where they do a real time CGI rendition of the Titanic of like, like pretend that you're on a lifeboat and you see the Titanic, this kind of like floating there. It hits the iceberg and then it takes two and a half hours to watch it. But you can see gradually as this thing sank. one thing I want to point out is this ship this size in order to make a U-turn. So to go forward and then turn around and head back needs about five miles of ocean, that's that's a big, big turnaround. And it can take, you know, like an hour to arrange that. It was estimated the Titanic spotted the iceberg at a range of 1500 feet, so about a quarter nautical mile away while moving at 22 knots, which is about 25 miles an hour. The ship only had 40 seconds to do the following. Now, there's a theory out there that states that the crew sucked, that the crew was awful. Check out these steps, that they only had 40 seconds to make it work. Spot the iceberg, ring the bell, shout to the officer of the watch of the sighting. The officer of the watch would need to make visual contact himself. He would have to come out and visually see the iceberg. Then you have to rush to the bridge and prepare to stall the engines. But stop the furnaces. So kill the engines, but get the furnaces running red hot and prepare for a full reverse, then start turning the wheel. You know, the big wheel like you see in pirate ships, start spinning that thing to the left. It had to go for about 60 rotations, so that way they could start moving the ship to the left because the iceberg was this off to the right a little bit. And they had to start like maneuvering it. Keep in mind, the ship needs miles of distance to maneuver, to stall the engines, meaning that you can't it's like in a car, you know how you can push a button and you go forward, you push a button. Now you're going in reverse. You can't do that on these ships. You had to stop these 720 ton engines and there were three of them. You have to stop it. And then you have to re re send the steam in and get the engines firing in reverse. So they had to vent all the steam that was running through the pipes to stall the engines, which would have sent massive plumes of steam out the smokestacks once the ship engine stalled. Think about how much it would take to stop something with 300 or 30,000 horsepower. The turbines had to be set to reverse. By now, the furnaces were raging hot. The boilers were on the verge of exploding. The engines would have to be reengaged, but in reverse. This would take some time before because imagine how long it would take to get something that weighs 720 tons. Moving again. The three massive propellers, each one of these things weighed about 38 tons, would start to spin backwards. And the idea was that you start steering to the left and you hit reverse on the engines, and that would magnify the effect of going because it would slow the ship down and then the ship could angle off to the left. All this was done in 30 seconds to normally do this in the ocean, 15 minutes to an hour to just normally do this at a casual pace. So they pulled all this often in 30 seconds, but it wasn't enough. And we have the collision. And it's really weird because they were looking at the iceberg and they were just seeing the tip. But as many of you probably know, only like 1% of the iceberg is above the water. The rest like 95 or whatever percent of it is all underwater. And it's huge. And that's what happened. It it hit pretty low down. I think it was like on the seventh deck, seventh or eighth deck. And it did a lot of damage in the engine deck as well. So after this, we know what happens. The boat. now we've got theories. We we've got a lot of theories. And this is where our students come in. And our first one is Mr. Jackson.

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Hello. So the ship I it they had to have it pretty well made, kind of They had these compartments on the bottom of the ship, which were meant to be flooded. There were 16 of them on the bottom part of the ship. But only four were meant to be flooded though in the ice. And once the iceberg punctured some of the area where the compartments are, this made the fifth one flood and sink the ship down while the water streamed into the other compartments. Because these compartments they were supposed to be, they weren't. It wasn't meant to flood as much so and it didn't. The compartment walls of each compartment didn't go all the way up, so the water just kept streaming and flowing into each compartment. Now, do you think if they if only say, like two or three compartments were compromised or broken, do you think the it not going all the way to the top wouldn't have mattered? Do you think that would have prevented the water from spilling over because five compartments were damaged? Well, it might have and it might have not. Okay. The jury's still out on that. Yeah. Nice. So this is all pretty believable considering it was made with a weak material. The people who had a first class ticket got to have it swimming pool. This was made by pumping in heated salt water and just seawater into the pool. But then they decided to expand the size of the pool and non first class tickets in. of course, It was expanded to approximate only 359.1 million square kilometers. Basically the ocean because it was holy cow, that's a lot of pool. Yeah, Yeah, definitely. definitely. Just for like 300 people. Yeah. Yeah. And So after the Titanic sank, nobody could believe that these big ships were indestructible because as the Titanic, they were not. It also sparked a wall making frenzy. According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and probably to prevent ships expanding their pool to 359.1 million square kilometers. I have to say that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big number. You got to throw it all out Yeah. there. All right, cool men. Got anything else you want to try to add on or not? Really. Okay. all I Yeah. have. Okay. Well, let's have our trio coming up now. We've got Cain, Jordan and Maddie. They're all going to crowd around a microphone as my headphones go flying and. Sorry, you Hello, I already guys. Say hi. have. Hi. So who's going first? Because this is an interesting conspiracy theory. so I'll go first. So. Okay. September 1911, the Royal Navy cruiser, HMS Hawk is cruising in the. So it was a clear weather day and the hawk was just like basically cruising along next to the arms. Olympic, a much larger ship, the huge new luxury boat of the White Star line. I just went out. So basically the two ships are three sailing parallel next to each other and the hawks start to like going closer to the Olympic and slams into the Olympic and like leaves a hideous wreck with downs and rips out of the metal and stuff like that. The White Star line was furious Olympic and her sister ship Titanic, that was going to be the company's long success success story. Well, now the Olympic cause has to be patched up and go back to Belfast, where the boat's builders were when the ship arrived, back where she literally just left, the Olympic and Titanic were alongside each other and repairs got under way. The Olympic is so bad, damage so she is no longer any use for the White Star line and her worthiness is ruined because of the wreck. But there's the nearly identical sister ship Titanic. And so that's when they started thinking about like switching the boats up. So, okay. So the idea was, hey, like forget about the Olympic, let's just like swap ships in and go from there. Yeah, basically, like, so they were going to, like, patch up the name and like, change them up. Okay, got it. All right, you can Um, the reason they wanted to switch it and sink it was because if they could successfully sink it without people thinking it was planned, they would get a huge insurance claim which would be able to basically get them out of bankruptcy. They were going bankrupt because the British White Star line was competing with mostly everyone else to create bigger and better ships. But they were mostly competing with Cunard. The other ship, the other cruising ship company. Cunard had made the fastest ships and with the white with the blue line Yeah the the Mauritania. Yeah, Yeah and and the White Star line had been focusing on the most luxurious and the best place to send your family if you wanted to travel the most comfortable. Yeah. And because of the Olympics, the Olympia being damaged, it would be more expensive to fix it up completely. Add all the new expenses and luxury and then to just switch the names, give it like a patch that would pass the tests but not be. But if it hit anything, then it would just sink. Yeah, and I remember correctly, the theory was too, that like part of the drive shaft got damaged and the ship had a hard time turning left. Yeah. And it just so happened that the iceberg hit the right hand side. Yeah, Just, just so happened. It's a yeah, it's interesting theatrics. I think the White Star line, they got like a $15 million payout on a boat that cost them seven 7 million to make. And that's why they didn't go immediately bankrupt. Yes, they are bankrupt today, but it still kept them floating for a couple more years. Yeah. Yeah. And I imagine when that Great Depression hits, then, they're gone. yeah, they're they're toast And they couldn't pull another one of the accident that would just destroy their reputation. Yeah. Um, people also say that the Olympic was planned to be the Titanic from the start, Okay, that they we're were already already bankrupt. bankrupt, and And no no matter matter if if we've it got got damage damaged, they in wanted one one to to be be intact intact, with but the the other other to sink sink for for that that insurance insurance claim. claim. Got Got it. it. Like Okay. they had built it, It realized realize we're we're out out of of money money and and switched switched to to that that even even before. before it got damaged. Yeah. The damage just Just happened happened to to improve improve it. it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Okay, cool. Coming up, Maddie. Yeah, It's okay. It's just a microphone. So So I have nothing nothing on on that that subject, subject Okay, my notes, but I have like, I have other stuff, obviously. Okay. Um, so, like, there was this guy JPMorgan there. He, there was, there was a theory that he hired men to like as a ship were sinking. He hired men to, like, play in a band, to like, to distract them from the fact that the boat was sinking. interesting. to like So is that the. That that famous story of the, uh, like those four violinists or that, like, string quartet group they were playing Yeah. on, on the deck. And so it was there, it was at that group that was designed to distract people from the boat sinking. I think so. But it was, they were so they were hired by Jp morgan because JP morgan wanted to sink the boat. why would Jp morgan want to sink the boat? I honestly don't. I'm not sure, but I'm I think we have some other conspiracy theories that will elaborate on that Yeah, someone looked look like like they they were were getting mad, getting. but I think there were like, how how do long I words word this? is They're. there? I'm I'm pretty pretty sure sure there there are are people people on on the the boat boat that, that, like, like, he he didn't didn't like like or or almost almost like like enemies enemies. Uh oh. Okay. Drown So, okay. All right. I think I've heard this one before. So it was a it was kind of like a conspiracy theory to get rid of his competition. Yes, Yes, that's a way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And him being an investor in that boat, he would have gotten part of that insurance claim. So he would have made money by killing people. yeah, It's a very American way of doing things. And And then then there there was was this this other other guy guy named named Morgan Robinson, Robert. Okay, who wrote So a a fictional fictional book book called called The the The The Futile Futility, Utility. And and this this was is for 14 two years. years after Oh, yeah. and And it it was was about about a a fictional fictional it it was was a a fictional fictional novel novel that that about about the the largest largest boat boat ever ever built, built, hitting hitting an an iceberg iceberg on on a a cold horrible April name. night. And And the the boat boat was was called called the the Titan. Titanic. Yes, Yes, I've heard of this one. And I thought it was written 14 years prior. That's That's what what I I meant. meant. Okay. Yeah, it was written 14 years prior. And it was just like, really? There's so many similarities between what actually happened and that book. It is haunting. Yeah. And It's it's crazy. crazy. Yeah, it was. Yeah. I think like the captain had a similar name. Like it was. Yeah, it's wild if you're into conspiracy theories, That's. That's a really interesting one. I I thought thought about that one it. was crazy. Yeah. No. it was also labeled unsinkable. Yeah, yeah, that's true. So, yeah, good stuff. But got anything else? um Um, with with the the so so for for the the safety safety boats. boats Mm hmm. they only filled them halfway. Yeah. And And I I don't don't know know why. why. Yeah. I think is probably going to that but I if I remember correctly, one of the biggest issues was that boats were kind of untested. They just didn't know how many people they could put in there and not have them sink. Yeah, Yeah. So? So, yeah. Okay, cool. Awesome. But All righty, straggler. This one. This one is one of my favorites because it, uh, it covers curses. Oh, and I like me a good curse. Okay, Okay, so so this this one, one, um, I I just just want want to to preface preface this this by by saying, saying, Oh, uh, this this is is very, very, very. very. Yeah, Yeah, this this is is a a very, very, very very out out there there kind kind of of theory. theory, and And I I chose chose it it because because all all of the the other other theories theories were were already already taken. taken. But you You know know, what? This one's pretty cool. this is good tinfoil hat material. Yeah. So the synopsis of this one is a mummy's curse saying the Titanic, let let me explain. Basically, several, several years before the Titanic launched, four rich young men were in Egypt and were trying to well, buy a by an old part of a sarcophagus and they they drew sticks And the one that one he brought in and he brought it into his hotel room. And then a few hours later, he was seen just walking off into the desert. Okay. Except he never returned. Um, the second guy in the group had his arm shot, and and he had it amputated. The third guy The third guy lost all his money because when he came home, he figured out that his bank had failed and his savings were toast. The fourth guy got sick and lost everything. And this was a common thing because Egypt was all the rage of this time period, all the way from like the early 1800s up till like the present. Everybody in the world, if you're rich, you wanted a piece of of ancient Egypt. And so, like, these people were like smuggling artifacts out. And I think in this case it was like the inner lid of, a sarcophagus. And that somehow made its way in the Titanic. Basically, the rest of the story goes on. A rich businessman bought the but the like the lid, I guess. And then he lost three family members. They They all all died died and and his his house house burned burned while while while he he was was in in possession possession of of it. it. Then And then he he gave gave it to to the the British British Museum. Museum. Now, Now, upon upon being being unloaded unloaded it it trapped trapped it, it, trapped trapped one one behind behind the the truck. truck. It It broke broke it it broke broke someone's someone's leg leg. And and it it killed killed someone. someone. Well, did it did Did it it really? really kill someone? Is You see he the the one one of of the the guys guys that that was was offloading offloading it it off off of this this truck? truck? He He was was in in perfect perfect health, health, right? right? Well, Well, except except to to two two days days later, later, he he died. died. Nobody Nobody knows knows what why. does a random get sick and die? Yeah, Cool. I don't even Think think he he was was sick. sick? He He just just died. died. Okay, so his heart stopped beating yeah, his. basically. His heart stopped. now Now in in the the museum, museum, the the night night guards guards supposedly supposedly heard heard it it, like, like screaming screaming and and kicking kicking and at that night. night. And And keep keep in in mind, mind, this this is is just just the the lid. live. This This is is just just the the literal lid of a sarcophagus. sarcophagus. There's There's nothing nothing inside inside of of it, it, really. really. Just that the lid was a thing that they would carve in the curses. Oh, Yeah. yeah. So like, the inside and the outside in hieroglyphics would have the curses on it, and it would even kind of specify to some degree like how, how you would die if you steal this artifact. And it could be like getting Yeah, well it had stuff in there like getting crushed, you know, getting sick, like they covered all their bases. Um, Also, also apparently apparently, it like, like, destroyed destroyed a a bunch bunch of of stuff stuff in in the the British British Museum's Museum's Egyptian Egyptian room. room. And And apparently apparently one one of of the the watchmen watchmen died died on on duty, duty, supposedly supposedly because because of of it, it, making making the the other other guy guy be being like, like, oh, Oh, no, yeah, No, I I don't. don't. I don't I I don't don't know know if if I I want want to to do do this this anymore, anymore. but he had to one point, I guess. Oh, Well, the museum. this is a Debbie Downer. Like what? Or okay. okay. She She the the museum museum tried tried to to sell sell it. it. And And I I mean, mean, the the buyer buyer was was I I think think like like the the buyer buyer was was like, like, Yeah, Yeah, okay, okay, it's it's curved. Kurt. Well, Well, why why don't don't I I exercise exercise it? it? Well, Well, coincidentally, coincidentally, I I think think not. not. He He couldn't couldn't get get the the thing thing exercised exercised for for some some or or other. other. No, No, no, no, like like Priest priests or or whatever whatever was was available. available. So, So um, no, no, it it still still had had all all those those curses. curses. Um, so Once cursed, always cursed. Yep. So So he he then then decided decided to to sell sell it it to to some some stupid stupid American American who who was was a a stupid stupid American, American, I I guess, guess. And I I guess guess he he was was hanging hanging out out in in England England because because he he wanted wanted to to ship ship it it across across the the Atlantic Atlantic to to New New York. York. So So that's that's how how the the thing thing ended ended up up on on the the Titanic. Titanic. And And basically basically the the theory theory states states that that the the Titanic Titanic wouldn't wouldn't have have crashed crashed and if that that pesky pesky little little thing thing wasn't wasn't on on there. there. Um, now, Now, personally, personally, I I think think this this theory is is like like a a lot load of of bull bull crap. crap. Um, it's It's awesome. like, I I mean, mean, it's it's fine. fine. Sure. Sure. It's It's like like a a fun, fun, little little fun fun, little little Halloween Halloween story. story. But, But I I mean, mean, first first of of all all, there's there's no no real real money mommy in in the the thing. thing. Second Second of of all, all, it's it's this this is is just this this is just just reeks reeks of of absolute absolute xenophobia. xenophobia. Like, Yeah. it's It's just just like, like, oh, oh, no. no. Like Like one one of of the the people people that that had had well, some some of of the the people people that that had had bought bought it it had had said said that that, Oh oh, yeah, yes, the the face face on on it. it, It's it's looks tortured. tortured. But But when when in in reality reality it's it's just just like like a a traditional traditional Egyptian Egyptian style style of of painting. painting, it's not, it's not, it's not like the ancient Egyptians like 3000 years ago. Like, okay, let's put a curse on here in case this thing ends up in a giant steel boat going from England to New York. Exactly. We We have have to to freak freak out out Some some white white people. people. It's crazy. Oh, Oh, no. no. A A strange, strange, ugly ugly thing thing is is traveling traveling and and killing killing many many. Also, awesome bad things happen to loads of people. people at the same time. And, And our human yeah, brain, just like, like naturally naturally searching searches for for a a connection. connection. Yeah, Like there there were. are, Like like, you you could could argue argue that that anything anything bad bad that that ever ever happened happened was was thanks thanks to to this this frickin frickin piece piece of. of What What was was it it like? like? Stone Stone It's It's a rock. like, Like, that's well, and like when you look at the whole history of what happened to all these people, it was over the course of, like, decades. Yeah. It It's wasn't all like in in the the same same week week. kind Kind of of a a thing thing in like, okay, bad things happened. Like the the only reason that so many tragedies happened to the people that were in possession of it is because I don't know, as I said before, xenophobe, xenophobe we're just a whole bunch of white people getting pissed off about, Well, okay, okay, okay, okay. My My teachers, teachers are they're telling telling me to Well, anyway, you that's that's my my theory. theory. Well, not really. It's not Oh, really? really My my theory. theory. It's your contribution to It's. This this is is my my contribution contribution to to the this big big fiery fire. pot luck. Anyways. Thank Thank you you. completely. And now, if you thought that was interesting. Now we got his coming up. So, Nathaniel, I'm sure he's got a very good contribution here. Okay, Okay? well, I I don't don't think think it's it's that that interesting. interesting. I I mean, mean, you you kind kind of of addressed addressed it it like like prior. prior. Okay. But And and you you also also kind kind of of debunked debunked it. it. Okay. Okay. So my original Original theory theory was was like like crew through negligence, negligence. right? Right? But But now now that that I I think think about about it, that, I I feel feel like like it it was was more more or or less less what the heck's a company called white White stars Stars Fault? for Because, because, we we have have a a ship ship going going from from London London to to New New York. York. Okay. Got pretty, Pretty, pretty pretty large large distance, distance. huh? Mm hmm. So So Why why did did we, we, like, like, scrub scrub half half the the safety safety measures? measures? Like Like they they like you said said earlier, earlier, they they have have two the lifeboats? lifeboats. Yeah, So they they have have like. like, like Like that. that fraction, Yeah. Yeah. H a l f I don't know if the e microphone d picked that up. Right. Yeah. But anyways, why? Y So So the the first first class class passengers passengers, will they'll get get like, like, Oh, oh, my my God. God. Oh, Oh, no. no. Is the lifeboat. It's Whatever, a big, ugly lifeboat. whatever am I going to do? My Actually, experience it would be is like ruined. Like them being ugly. Live my. it out, my friend. Um, Oh, like Wellington from Napoleon. yeah. Yeah, Yeah. he could lose it. There's a big, ugly lifeboats right in front of my It's window. like cannons are exploding around them But anyway. anyways, Obviously obviously it it was was called, called like like, the the unsinkable unsinkable ship, ship or the ship ship that that can can never never share. sink. So So therefore, therefore, nobody nobody foresaw foresaw that that it it was was actually actually going going to to sink. sink. I I mean, mean, fair, fair, I I guess, guess. right? Right, Because Yeah. this thing was Well, massive. the reason why It was. it's so famous Yeah, is because it was supposed everybody to be. thought It was supposed supposed to to be be this this like like, bastion bastion of of integrity, integrity now. you know. Yeah. Yeah. So So I I guess guess why why remove remove half half the safety safety measures, measures or even like, why not the extend the bulkheads bulkhead of the compartments compartments? all ALL the way Yeah, up but to you again, you said like like, the rich, richer people, people don't the ones want to see massive massive? steel doors. Yeah, Yeah, just right I think outside the rooms. I figured, hey, Hey, let's this is just paint paint him them like like paint paint. like, put like True. four old They painting could have, like. them. And Yeah, if. I I don't don't know, know if he it was was outside outside some some room Roman in a room, little bit they could of paint paint them on his as columns car. or Yeah. they wouldn't lose their functionality, Functionality, I I guess. guess. Yeah. Yeah. So just be painted in a different Well, and I know the part you're talking about. What the, uh, negligence like. Yeah. The officers, I think, probably did an okay job, but there was like what, 900 other crewmembers on there and who knows what they could have done to like inadvertently scrap it. Like, for example, why were there no tests done on the lifeboats? Why were there no drills being done? Why didn't they know that they could put more people on or say, come on out of 900 people, that they could have done better. But yeah, I guess they tried and they really did do a good job turning those engines around. But let's be fair, there was probably 903 other people on there that probably could have done a little better because they did pull people from all over the place. So So I I think think there there would be be more more white white stars. stars fault Yeah, because they they would would have have to to be be the the ones ones like, like, okay, okay, today we're we're going going to to run what this this one on and we're going to run this lifeboat just Just like, like way wait. before they actually shut Titanic the sail, Mm. because then, you You know, know, the the the lifeboats lifeboats were are functioning functioning and and I mean, not lot. How how could could a lifeboat lifeboat. break, really? Yeah, But a a lifeboat lifeboat is is lifeboat one of them led one that does sink to the bottom of the ocean. But Well, another another thing thing I I want want to to bring bring up up is, is like like a a majority majority of of Titanic's Titanic's victims, victims, according according to to the the National National Archives, Archives, which which I I got got my my info info. from Yeah, a majority of most those victims victims were were of of the the third third class. class. And that That evidently evidently brought brought up up a a lot lot of of issues issues and and concerns concerns regarding regarding like like the the treatment treatment or or equality the quality of of classes classes in in the society. society. So So. I don't know. What do you think? So So I you think the crew like purposely purposely evacuated evacuated people. people? I don't know. I don't know. I would it surprise me if there was some element of, okay, the officers in the crew are like, hey, we've got to get the rich people off and then we can get second class people off and then we get third. I think a lot of it too, is the simple logistics, the people were the closest to the boats, so they got on and then the second class would get on and then the third class with the four elevators working, you could only bring up so many people at a time. But, you know, there was also reports of them like locking gates to keep them down in there. And it wouldn't surprise me if there was some people on there because a lot of immigration was was derived like in the states was kind of racist like Americans did not necessarily want all these immigrants coming over. So there could have been people on that boat that would have been like, hey, I see an opportunity here and lock gates and try to slow the path down. I don't think it would have been all that much, but hey, it only takes one jerk to ruin it for everybody. But I definitely think that there was less attention given to to the third class for sure. Well, Well, the the way way I I see see it it is, is, if if I'm I'm not not mistaken, mistaken, the the for iceberg the hit the starboard starboard side. side, and And I I assume assumed that that would would cause cause damage damage to in the the lower lower levels. level. Yes, So you I don't know why they wouldn't try to evacuate. People like from like from the area around the rupture unless it's like prejudice against poorer people. people Or they had already shut the they had already once they found out that the compartments were flooding, they shut those doors. And once you shut him, you can't that open doesn't them seem ethically, ethically sound. correct? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was the officer, Murdock was the first officer. He was probably the one that had to make that call to close those doors, knowing that he was going to have those people all drown. But they. So So you're you're telling telling me me they they had had no no time time to to get get everyone everyone out out and and then then they they could would close? close the doors No. like it was down to the second. Yeah, Yeah, it it was was down. down. They They I I think think they they had had depending depending on on where where they they were were at, at, some some of of them them only only had had maybe maybe 20 20 seconds seconds to to get get out. out. Oh, that's insane, dude. Yeah, Yeah, well, well, I I mean, mean, that's all I know. Okay. No, that's a great contribution. I like that. We got Abby coming up here. She's going to talk about how alcohol saved a man's life. He wasn't wearing cowboy boots. Just coming up here talking about how booze saves a guy. and And you. so So my now homeboy I'm with here this and a young young man, man whose his name name, we we don't don't know know his his name. name for some reason, which I I honestly honestly don't don't know know why why. Because Because like like, I I scoured said, after the Internet about for like, 2 2 hours, hours, I couldn't didn't find find it. it, so So maybe maybe I I just just didn't did it with look something something that. up. Right. Right. But But yeah, we'll call him John. Okay. Okay. A a young young man. man named John. Oh, And so So after after he you help helped him because because he he was was in in first first class class and and he he wasn't wasn't like like, in in, like like, the the first first class suite. He was like, in, like, more more of, like, a regular regular. first Yeah, class he was cabin like in that, in between, like Yeah, the elite in but second class. what What his, he's like, like. room Froome was was about located. 20. He He was was in in one one of of the the few few rooms things that that was was going located on on the higher part with with the, the like, first first class. class suites. Mm. So he He was was at at most more so of the the first. front of the boat. Okay And so what he he did did is when is they were like, okay, if it's an iceberg, see it's going to sink. Like, here you go. is this then like Oh, oh this this is is this, this this is isn't good. good. So after he hooked passengers, so So he he was was more more like, like towards place. so So he he helped helped passengers passengers get get older on the lifeboats. like this. And And then then he he actually actually went went back back to to his his room room and and had had a a couple more guests like I I kid kid you you not not like like. like Yeah, he had a a couple couple more more drinks. drinks Why not? As you do when your boat sinks. Exactly. So So basically basically. and And then then once once the the boat boat had like after, after like like I I would would say, say the time had been like it had been long, sinking for like like 2 2 hours hours, and like 15 minutes it sounds about right. because So like, it now was about like the it now was the ship it would be took like about like like 30, 30 ish, like like a not not 3 30 minutes, minutes, like like 30 3 hours. hours. And And then then, there then it was was like, like 3 Oh hours yeah, and like, what, like 45 minutes or well, it only took like maybe roughly 3 hours for the whole thing start to finish. But after about 2 hours, 15 minutes, the front of that boat would have been pretty Yeah, high up it above was the water. pretty high. And And so so, what like, he you did, didn't he stayed on it as long as he could and then want once to it live was like, like, we we can't can't stand stand on on it it anymore, anymore. Yeah, he he jumped jumped off. off it And after, after. Like like, at at that that point, point there there were already, are, like, like, lots lots of of bodies bodies in in the the ocean ocean and and rescue rescue, boats were like, not rescue like boats, but like, lifeboats lifeboats were were going going in looking to for people who survived. try to So he flagged find them them down like he was like with waving how arms like crazy. crazy. And So they they pulled pulled him him out out and and he somehow somehow he he survived. survived. So So I'm I'm assuming assuming he he's was only only in in there there for for like like 5 5 minutes, minutes. which was still So like, it's be like, really really cool. cold. Yeah. He Like like, swollen swimming, feet and like like, swollen swollen caps calves like like that. that. It. And Hmm. he survived Right. And it was because of the alcohol, apparently. Apparently, I did visions of this guy, like, holding, like, all these bottles of booze, just like this this, like floating there. Like, like yeah. priorities. And Right? Meanwhile, he's got, like, a nagging wife that he, like, left behind, and he the taken the bottles bottle and there yet. And then I I. completely forgot. But But then didn't if you you say, say like, like when when a looking low contribute for me to to the your thing like like how how the the Titanic was made. Was body it there, there like like, wasn't it between like like bring Britain in and some some of other the clothes place that that look like they and and there's there's other an a legit like you, accusation accusation like, you know that that like like they they had had like like made the the boat boat turn to super go weak like Yeah, the do you remember talking yeah. about So there's a theory out there because it was built in Ireland Yeah. and at that time Ireland did not really like Britain and they really wanted the whole island to be free. This goes all the way through like the sixties and Yeah. stuff like that. So So 800 yeah, yeah, go figure. Britain making friends as they do and the theory is that the metal, when they were making it, they purposely put impurities in it to make it weaker Yeah. and that way. So when it got hit, when they hit that iceberg, it this, it did more damage than it would have if they used a higher grade steel. And so it was like sabotaged. Yeah. That's That's all all I I have. have. Great. Now we know how to survive a shipwreck. then other. And that's why. How? Oh, God. God. What is it? Oh, if you were young, by the way, like the priority was to put women and children on the lifeboats. So if you were young, you got like, if you could get to the boats, you would have been prioritized. I. I would have been a goner because I'm old and fat in a man like, well, I've served my purpose, but you guys have a future. So you would have been good to go. think they're Okay, Okay, so, so um, there there is is this this theory theory about about the the Titanic Titanic being being stuck sunk by by God. God. Oh, Oh, oh, okay. Oh. So Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So there is this This guy, guy whose his name name was was, I I think think it it was was Captain Captain Smith. Smith. He He was was one one of the captains, of the captains. obviously, but He was the captain. he was Jay Smith. Yeah. the captain. Yeah. He He wasn't wasn't a a believer. believer of Oh, God. God. At At least least I I don't don't think think so. so. But But he you mentioned mentioned how how God God couldn't couldn't sink think his his ship. ship. But But people people don't don't actually actually know know if if you he said said this. this. But But he he says, said, like, like specifically, specifically, not not even even God God himself. himself can And sink since the the ship ship. And and five five days days later later, it sunk. And his last words were you simply be British. know, it And I know this sounds was like, like really really weird. weird, but But like like, I I saw saw it it on on a a YouTube YouTube video video like like a a few few years years ago ago and and it it was was like, like, um, well, the nice things on YouTube. So it has to be accurate. to They want to put put anything on YouTube that wasn't accurate, right? Well, sure. But I there's was like, like, this thing. Have Have you you ever ever seen see, like the people people who who, like like, have having like a a message message above above their their head head and and they they point point out out it it's for like, like 18 seconds yes, and then they start explaining and then it's like, oh, so it's like like people people who who love mock God God and and then then died died and and it's it's like like, um, number one, but He he was was like, like, yeah, yeah. not even God can sink this ship. And And it it turned turned out out that. that And it so sunk. and And I I saw thought on on the a YouTube YouTube video video and and it it was was like like about another the Titanic. Titanic. And And now now that that we're we're talking talking about about the the Titanic Titanic in in the the classroom, classroom, I I remember remember the the video video and I that thought I I'd do do a deeper deeper dive dive on on it. it as my Yeah, theory and and stuff stuff. and And apparently apparently it's it's true. true. And And what the poor guy said, hold my beer and watch this this. is like cracking his knuckles, like, his boat. It's just go Oh, to the water. yeah, let's And then he's like, he just spawns an iceberg right in front of him. Yeah, Just boom. But, um, It's like a minecraft iceberg. This chilling. Yeah, but it's It's not not like like a a popular popular theory, theory, but but is it is a a theory theory that that people people might like believe. But I thought it was a unique you theory, and and I I kind kind of of lost like. my words. I Yeah, words wasn't. are hard, Yeah, but but Thanks. Um, but But I I thought thought I I'd did do a deeper stuff dive on on it, it and and it it turns turns out out it's it's true. About, about like like, 2 2 hours hours and and 45 45 minutes minutes when when the the ship ship was, is like, like, starting starting to to go go, like, like, slanted. Oh, yeah, She was, like, at the the very very top, top of the the ship ship, still still trying kind to, of like like, avoid the the iceberg, iceberg, you even know, though it it just was like like the captain it was. was Ah, up there, it was like, already, like, like halfway halfway in in the the water. water And and, um, I'm not not funny, funny, but but at at the the same same time, time, funny funny story. story. Um, I he was was hanging hanging on on to to the the edge edge of of the the ship, ship and and he he fell fell. and Oh, he fell into under the the water. water. Oh, yeah. okay. like, bonked His his head head on on the the side side of of the the ship ship and and he he drowned. drowned. But But his last were beep and he he yelled was out loud, very very loud, loud. I think. I'm not actually sure I So wasn't he's like, there. Oh, I wasn't you are in the there. water that are floating ice cubes. Be British. But It's all yeah, good. that's That's all all I I have have about about God God. sinking a ship. That's awesome. don't my ship will be suck Was ship. So your you're shrimp will be sunk. ship I will think God be said, I hate that shrimp ends up on a skewer in a grill. just eaten. Yeah, Yeah. but yeah, that's all I have. Awesome. So Great great job. job, Good job, Jose. gentlemen. Thank Thank you you, All right. Well, we got that all figured out. Did it? They They did did it. it. Yes, they did. They they these kids. Definitely They're opinionated. that they made their opinions very apparent. Mm hmm. All right. So what was the what was the aftermath of all this? Okay, so So the the Carpathia Carpathia had had received received the the Titanic's Titanic's S.O.S. S.O.S. signals signals while while it it was was going going down, down. But those are Carpathia, I probably. probably, I I don't don't know. know, All all. I did was read it. They're They're about about 4 4 hours hours away away when when they they received received the the calls, calls and and they they made made their their way way to to the the Titanic's Titanic's location. location. By By the the time time they they got got there, there at around around 3 3 a.m., a.m., there there was was nothing nothing but but lifeboats, lifeboats, bodies bodies and and a a low low green green light light under under the the water water. that That was was once the the Titanic. fact that A majority majority of of those those who who perished perished for were a third third class class passengers passengers and and crew crew members. members, 705 705 people people out out of of the the 2245 2245 on on the the boat boat survived. survived. Stories, Stories, myths myths and and conspiracies conspiracies almost almost instantly instantly began began to to crop crop up up after after the the ship ship sank. sank. This This was is primarily primarily due due to to the the ship's ship's initial initial reputation reputation as as an an unsinkable unspeakable floating floating treasure treasure trove trove of of money money and and rich retrieval people. Which, I mean, I kind of get it for rumor Mills write stories of survivors such as Molly Brown and Arthur Henry Roston began to spread throughout British and American societies as well. Molly Brown was a first class passenger who helped survivors on light lifeboats and steered her own to safety to the Carpathia. Archibald Gracie The Fourth survive by climbing on to an overturned lifeboat and in the middle of the ocean. He later wrote a book about it. Charles White told her, I think all I say. It also survived by climbing on to an overturned lifeboat and was famously the last person to be rescued. The biggest thing, too, to go through the rumour mill and the general public as well was and then the government. What happened? The kids had their theories. The governments had of other other conclusions inclusions. Yeah, they had more questions than anything. Yeah, mostly Mostly lots lots of of questions. questions. It took the Carpathia three days to get to New York from the wreckage site. At that time, lots of survivors were sent in both Europe and the US. People began wondering what had happened. How did it happen? And stories cropped up before anybody had any concrete information. So while the Carpathia was on its way back, it sent lists of people who served, who they thought survived, who was on their boat. They sent lists back to New York and London, and families started to crop up. So families were waiting by the time Carpathia got back to New York. Both the US government and the British Parliament launched official investigations into the sinking of the ship. And now I'm looking at my notes. I don't think it was the British Parliament. I think it was the British Trade Straightforward Board death that launched the investigation. investigation, Yeah, except because didn't they have, like, a dispute between America and Britain? Like, We'll get there. what happened? Okay. So So for for the the U.S. U.S. investigation, investigation, April April 19th, 19th, 1912, 1912, it it lasted lasted until until May May 21st, 25th, 1912. 1912. More More than than 80 80 witnesses witnesses were were interviewed interviewed in in this this investigation. investigation. Charles Charles Taylor, Fuller, the the guy guy I I just just talked talked about, about, he he was was also also the the second second officer officer and and the the most most senior senior crew crew member member to to survive. survive. So So they they interviewed interviewed him him and and a a majority majority of of the the witnesses witnesses were were passengers passengers and and some crew crew members. members. Witnesses Witnesses claimed claimed the the following following information. information. At At least least this this was was the the most most notable, notable, as as well well as as their their individual individual survivor survivor stories, stories, which which I I honestly honestly recommend recommend to to anybody anybody who who has has the the time. time. Go Go and and read read them. them. They're They're pretty pretty great. great. A A lot lot of of them them wrote wrote books. books. They They have have their their testimonies testimonies online. online. I I actually actually was was able able to to find find an an entire entire website website and and all all it it is. is This is is is dedicated dedicated to to the the testimonies testimonies of of the the U.S. U.S. witnesses witnesses as as well well as as the the British British witnesses. witnesses. It's pretty cool. Oh, wow. Yeah. So So you you can can go go and and read read through through all all of of them. them. But But there there was was a a commonwealth commonality. and It it was was basically basically this. this A a warning warning signal signal was was never never sounded sounded. and And a a number number of of passengers passengers and and crew crew members members were were unaware unaware of of any any danger danger for for a a long long time. time. A A lifeboat lifeboat drill drill was was never never held held with with the the crew crew or or with with the the passengers passengers during during the the trip. trip. Lowering Lowering the the lifeboats lifeboats during during the the emergency emergency was was done done haphazardly. haphazardly. So So that's that's why why a a lot lot of of the the lifeboats lifeboats were were overturned. overturned. And I do know that at the James Cameron movie, they they really showed that like the boats were like bumping into each other. They were like like like they're like trying to push them away because they were like, crushing the people below and all that kind of stuff, which I thought that was a nice little touch. Yeah, Yeah, they they did did a a good good job job there there. and And when when they they were were loading loading the boats, boats, there's there's two, two, two two ways ways it it could could have have gone. gone. An An officer officer was was yelling, yelling Women women and and children, children, and and a a lot lot of of the the people people that that were were on on the the boat boat took took that that as as women women and and children children only. only. Oh, I thought that was so. so. A A lot lot of of the the people people who who were were were who who interpreted interpreted that that as as women women and and children. children only Only then then there there are are other other people people who who interpreted interpreted that that as as women women and and children children first. first. But But that that is is the the reason reason why why those those lifeboats lifeboats were were only only filled filled halfway halfway and and not not with a lot but of men, probably because they here is all the women and children that were in the area Right. and then they just left the guys behind. Right. Right. Oh, There was a miscommunication. wow. Very likely there was a miscommunication That okay. That is I had I never knew that. That is wild. Yeah. Which Which makes makes sense sense in in all all that that chaos. chaos. Yeah. And there's There's a a huge huge crowd crowd of of people people and and, you you don't know, it's it's hard hard to to tell, tell, you You know, know, women women and and children children only only your the women women and and children children first. first. There's no clarification. Wow, So we're just going to do our best. man. yep, crew of a nearby ship. This is another testimony that becomes problematic. The crew of a nearby ship, ship, the the Californian, Californian, was was about about 20 20 miles miles out, out, about about 20, 20, 23 23 miles miles when when this this whole whole thing thing first first started. started. The The crew crew saw saw the the ship, ship, but but they they didn't don't think think it it was was the the Titanic Titanic because because it it looked looked really really small. small. I Right. mean, you're 20 20 miles miles out out and was it's going to look smaller. like. But okay. They They also also said said it it was was moving moving and and they they tried tried to to contact contact it it by by Morse Morse code code. using Using lanterns, went through, but but nobody nobody responded. responded. The The Californian's Californian captain captain had had told told the the men men to to keep keep using using the the Morse Morse code code instead instead of of the the radio. radio. By By 2 2 a.m., a.m., the the ship ship reportedly reportedly sailed sent away. away Another another thing, thing too, to for the the Californian California is is before before the the ship ship sank, sank, the the Californian Californian was trying to reach the Titanic to let them know that there was ice in their path and to slow down and stop or whatever. Like wait until morning. The two guys who were running the, like, radio thingy, the The transmitter? transmitter, Yeah, that thing. The guy who is who was working it when the Californian was attempting to contact the Titanic, he was so overwhelmed by all of these personal messages from from this his passengers. passengers, He. He he freaked freaked out, out, I I guess, guess, and and he he told told the the Californian Californian radio radio man, man, Shut Shut up, up, I I need need to to do do my my work. work. So So the the Californian California guy guy was was like, like, All All right, right, turn turned off off the the radio radio and and went went to to bed. bed. Mm So that That is is why why there there was was no no radio radio. to So the the Californian, Californian, who who was is not not 4 4 hours hours out, out, maybe like a half half an hour. hour. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. So Okay. friends, communication Communication? is key. Yeah. Do not tell anybody Anybody to to shut shut up up when when you're you're on on the the job. job? Yeah. Yeah. Just be like, Hey, give me a minute. I'm a little swamped. That's all you have to do. Yep. Oh, yeah. The U.S. investigation concluded that the British Board of Trade was at fault for careless regulation and rushed inspections. Other causes, noted in their conclusions, was that the captain failed to slow the ship down when going through ice, as well as the failure of the Californian to respond to the Titanic's distress signals. So that was the official conclusion of the U.S. investigation. The British investigations began May of 1912, so just after the U.S., probably around the same time they were overseen by the British Board of Trade. Yes, the same people that the U.S. held responsible. These testimonies held in Britain were very similar to those in the U.S. So it was a lot of the same witness statements and things like that. So I'm not going to go over them again. Yeah. Yeah. Everything that was said in America is being said in Britain. pretty much. Yeah. The British Trade Board concluded that the ship sank due to its collision with the iceberg while sailing at excessive speeds. I mean. Yes, that's fair. Good point. The presiding judge here, his name was Sir Charles John, Charles Bingham. Lord Mercy. a Mercy year, wrote, I love his name. I just wanted to state it's great, he he said. said, And and it's he he states stated it in in the the investigation investigation papers. papers that he He's was not not able able to to blame blame Captain Captain Smith. Smith. He He was was only only doing doing that that which which other other skilled skilled men men would would have have done done in in the the same same position. position. So So the the judge judge in in Britain Britain refused refused to to blame blame the the captain captain. when When the the differences. differences He was refusing to blame between the the captain. captain And and then in the U.S., us, they they were were saying saying that that the the captain captain's was going going too too fast. fast. Yeah, So there's that little little difference. difference. Unlike Unlike the the U.S. US investigators, investigators, British British investigators investigators claims claimed that that the the Californian Californian was was 5 5 to to 10 10 nautical nautical miles miles away, away. not Not 20, one which which I I thought thought was was an an interesting interesting difference. difference. I I like I don't want to have anything had to to corroborate corroborate that that difference, difference. but But it's it's interesting. interesting. Yeah, it's like it kind of makes you wonder, like, how did you draw that conclusion? Yeah, Like, how do you get the same thing with, like, the how? How did they figure out that the iceberg was spotted 1500 feet away? Yeah, It's it's not like anybody was deliberately sitting there recording it. Maybe they could see where the boat went down and where the iceberg was. My I guess, guess because because I I didn't didn't read read all all of of the the testimonies, testimonies, but but my my only only guess guess is is that that that that second second officer officer testified testified. that the Oh. iceberg was that far away. Okay. And Yeah. there were crew members Members who who did did survive. survive. Not Not many, many, but but there there were were crew crewmembers members providing who survived and tested testimony. and testified to. Yeah, I guess they could base it off like, Oh, yeah, it was so big and Mm based hmm. off of like, icebergs being. Yeah, Yeah. big on average Oh, or whatever. yeah. Yeah, they They probably have charts that they can figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. So So there there are is some some differences differences between between the the two. two. Obviously, Obviously, the the British British Trade Trade Board Board did did not not want want to to take make full responsibility it for this, like everybody just wanted to wash their hands of it. Like, Yeah. not me. But But I I did do think think that that the the two two conclusions conclusions were were were were interesting interesting with with very very similar similar testimonies. testimonies. Both Both investigations investigations proposed proposed safety safety recommendations recommendations and and solutions solutions to to something something like like the the Titanic. Titanic That that way way. it doesn't happen again. The The first first international International conference Conference on for the Safety Safety of of Life Life at at Sea Sea was was called called in one London, day, and and they they stated stated that that every every ship ship has has lifeboat lifeboat space space for for every every passenger. passenger. Lifeboat Lifeboat drills drills must must be be held held for for every every trip, crew, and and ships ships must must contain contain a a 24 24 hour hour radio radio watch hatch with with shipping shipping lanes lanes in in which which the the ice ice would can be be broken broken up up for the liners. wires. And And it it can can also also be be argued argued that that the the Titanic Titanic's sinking sinking ended ended the the Edwardian parents era's attitudes attitudes towards towards innovation innovation and progress progress for amongst the the wealthy. wealthy. It It can can be be argued argued that that it it humbled humbled people people to to take take certain certain things things very very seriously, seriously, like like safety, laissez fairer. faire. Yeah, I guess we now have to adhere to these guidelines. unfortunately. But But after after the the trials trials and and the the years years that that followed, followed, further further safety safety measures measures were were put put into into place place for for the the voyage voyage through through the the Atlantic Atlantic. that, That, you you know, know, made made it it even even more more robust robust and and safe safe for for passengers. passengers. The The wreckage wreckage at at the the bottom bottom of of the the ocean ocean was was not not found found until until 1985. 1985. So So you you can can imagine imagine the the mysterious mysterious mystique reputation reputation that that the the Titanic Titanic had had for for a a long long time. time. Yeah, And that's that's one one of of the the reasons reasons why why it's it's so so famous, famous is is not not just just because because of of its its reputation reputation. when When it it was was above above the the water, water, but but also also it was pretty hard to find It under was hard the water. to find. Well, actually, I. I actually met Robert Ballard. Oh, cool. Yeah, he went to my he visited my high school Okay. when I was a teenager. And I got to just go up and talk to him Nice. and he said that the biggest problem was that it wasn't necessarily a matter of trying to find it. It was a matter of trying to stay alive, Get getting getting down down that there. deep. Yeah, because in the seventies and eighties they just didn't have the technology that could go down that far easily. Not without a lot of work. Yeah. And And the other thing, too, is it's so dark that you have to rely on radar and like they had to just do scans left and right, forward and backwards to draw like a grid of this whole area. And they just spent hours doing these radar scans at the bottom of the ocean. And then when you find something that is shaped like half a ship, you can conclude that that's not a rock, It's probably probably. a ship. Yeah. If it's if it's about 400 feet long, 92 feet wide, kind of comes to a point. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. And if I remember correctly, like both halves, like the front half is like hundreds of yards away from some the back half. And something like that. I I don't don't remember. remember. I I don't. don't I I haven't haven't looked looked that at up it. But in a long time. yeah, the wreckage is, is pretty complicated. And then there's there's a conspiracy theory that the Titanic didn't even have life on it. That's That's dumb. dumb. And And the the argument argument that this was this was special. The argument was that there was no skeletons down there. That's That's real real special. special. Yeah, I know. This This is is why why I I refuse refuse to to talk talk about about conspiracy conspiracy theories, theories. because they frustrate me Some of them can be somewhat valid. They Look still frustrate me. like I could see the the insurance claim one being a possibility. But the the Olympic Olympic was was used used in in World World War War One. One. But that was the actual Titanic. That's That's stupid. stupid. It It was was the the Olympic Olympic that's that's on on the the bottom bottom of of the the ocean. ocean. That's stupid. Well, the only way they could really find out is if they can get something into the engine room and see if the drive shaft was actually damaged. They They fixed fixed it. it. Hmm. Hmm. They fixed by World World War War One. One. They They would would have have. fixed No, they couldn't. So the the Olympic that's on the bottom of the ocean, the one that got damaged, according to the theory, it it was damaged, but they couldn't repair it in Oh, time. you're talking about the The drive driveshaft shaft down down? there. Yeah, I thought you were talking about the the one one that's that's still still currently currently out and about. out and about. No, no, no. So. old Oh, reliable. reliable as they call it. Yeah. No. So, like the apparently, according to the theory, the the ship had a tough time. Well, I. Steering to the left because they didn't have enough time to properly repair everything. And they're like, who cares? It's a big ocean. We could get it to New York or just get it out there and sink it. Yeah, that. That's like the only theory that has some degree of plausibility. I don't know I how also just realized they called it stupid and the kids did all this work to research that. And now I feel bad. I'm sorry. I I just just don't don't like like. conspiracy theories. Yeah, well, in the thing about conspiracy theories is that when if you look for conspiracy theories, you will find them, Right. whether they exist or not. I don't. And what defines a conspiracy theory kind of a thing is Yeah, especially like because there have been times where there's been conspiracy theories and they've been proven true. Yeah, And we there's just I don't there's no way to prove it. I think it's interesting, but I'm not going to sit there and say, oh, yeah, this is like a deep state, big corporation scheme and and and all that kind of stuff. There was a lot of shady business practices by Ismay and the White Star Line. So yeah, there's a book out there. I can't remember the name of it, but it, it, it really go, it like it breaks down the whole thing of that, that whole theory. But in case if anybody was wondering why there are no more bodies down there is because the bottom of the ocean, things live there, Mhm. they're going to bacteria is going to eat everything. Animals are going to eat everything. And then the question is like, why there are no bones? Well, the ocean has a saltwater has this thing where it will use CO2 to make carbonic acid, to break down calcium. And it breaks down calcium in a way that it now is kind of like dissolved into the water column and then other, coral forming things will absorb it and make new reefs and stuff like that. So eventually the calcium would have, eventually the bones would have eventually it is broken down, Yeah. Disintegrated disintegrated or or whatever. whatever, And and it's it's been been over over a a hundred hundred years. years. And And so so yeah, the ocean does a pretty good job recycling whatever's left on their pretty incredible ecosystem. system. Give Give it it credit. credit. Yeah. 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